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| Fotix | Oh juiceme. I think ubiboot really needs to add charging function. | 17:23 |
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| juiceme | Fotix, hiya | 20:31 |
| juiceme | Yes, charging would be necessary. I even started working on it; I made a proof-of-concept kernel that enables charging when flashed to the device. | 20:32 |
| Fotix | my battery is empty. I cant start it again. | 20:33 |
| Fotix | wow! | 20:33 |
| Fotix | I have been looking forward to it for almost whole year! | 20:34 |
| juiceme | however I have not had time to do any development on it lately... Too much to do in my day-job really so am pretty exhausted in the evenings... | 20:34 |
| Fotix | It's OK! we will wait. | 20:34 |
| juiceme | it is one of the more important changes. (also wlan support would be nice imho) | 20:35 |
| Fotix | And N9 is not my major phone now... | 20:36 |
| juiceme | Fotix, I won't promise anything on a given timeline :) | 20:36 |
| juiceme | one of these days when I get to it.... | 20:36 |
| Fotix | yeah. I am just happy! | 20:37 |
| juiceme | How I went at it, as I recall: I took the APE algo from a PR1.3 packet and rebuilt the base image with a new initrd, and managed to get the thing charging nicely | 20:37 |
| juiceme | now what would be needed is to integrate that with the features needed by ubiboot, namely the kexec() bits and handling of the command line suppressin | 20:38 |
| Fotix | Sounds great. Is there any way to support other language originally? | 20:40 |
| juiceme | problem there is that the APE source is not known (at least by me...) It is open source of course since it is just a specially built Linux kernel, but the sources would need to be coaxed from Nokia (or rather MS as I think they hold the keys nowdays) | 20:40 |
| juiceme | language hmm? Like the chinese version you made? | 20:41 |
| Fotix | no. i made it by picture. | 20:41 |
| Fotix | i think text better. | 20:42 |
| juiceme | so you mean, like a language pack that could be changed, to localize the messages shown by ubiboot | 20:42 |
| juiceme | yes, that could be doable i think | 20:42 |
| Fotix | somebody here got source by DVD from Nokia Developers. Is there any possibility that is what you need? | 20:44 |
| juiceme | unfortunately no, what would be needed is the sources to the APE that are included in the flashable image | 20:46 |
| juiceme | that is a different thing than the runtime kernel which's sources are included on the DVD. | 20:46 |
| Fotix | The developer from Finland tried to write Chinese address with much efforts. | 20:46 |
| Fotix | Chinese writing is really hard to copy :) | 20:47 |
| juiceme | yes, as it is more like pictures tahn western writing | 20:48 |
| Fotix | LOL | 20:49 |
| Fotix | Asian letters are all like pictures. | 20:49 |
| juiceme | and take longer to learn to read, too :) | 20:49 |
| Fotix | Zackburg came to China a few days ago. He can even talk in Chinese! | 20:51 |
| juiceme | oh? | 20:51 |
| Fotix | yeah. students there were very excited. | 20:52 |
| Fotix | but we still cant use FB. | 20:52 |
| Fotix | what a pity. | 20:52 |
| juiceme | yes, but I see that as no great problem :) | 20:52 |
| juiceme | I do not use FB myself, I think it is not good for anybody :) | 20:53 |
| juiceme | of course it is different if you are banned from using it, I am not using it because I do not want to | 20:54 |
| Fotix | I dont use it either. but i think we should have right to choose. | 20:54 |
| juiceme | true | 20:54 |
| juiceme | there are many things I don't use, like tobacco and alcohol (well only little beer now and then) but I allow other people to use them if they want to | 20:55 |
| juiceme | it is about choice; you should be allowed to use your own poison | 20:55 |
| Fotix | so i dont like the gov. | 20:56 |
| Fotix | just like the new leader dont like web | 20:56 |
| juiceme | I understand it is so in many places where you are not allowed to partake in the choosing of governing bodies, or where the choise is limited | 20:57 |
| juiceme | web allows free flow of infornmation, so is not liked in many places | 20:58 |
| Fotix | is europe free? | 20:58 |
| juiceme | we like to think so. however I do believe not everything we are told is the truth | 20:58 |
| juiceme | some things are disclosed, and some information might be inaccurate | 20:59 |
| Fotix | Pirate Bay is from your place! | 20:59 |
| Fotix | i can get your feeling. | 20:59 |
| juiceme | yes, and thy shut it down and arrested the people who made it | 20:59 |
| juiceme | so everything is not free here! | 21:00 |
| Fotix | one of them was arrested in thai | 21:00 |
| juiceme | yes I read about it | 21:00 |
| Fotix | best of china, we can download for free. | 21:01 |
| Fotix | of course,illegally | 21:01 |
| Fotix | but no law talk about that. | 21:02 |
| juiceme | also, Julian Assange who is the founder of WikiLeaks has been harrassed by european govenrments because he published secret documents from USA | 21:02 |
| juiceme | another example how not everything is free | 21:03 |
| Fotix | u r right. | 21:03 |
| juiceme | when you publish government material that shows USA has made war crimes in Irak and Afghanistan, you will be pyut to jail :( | 21:03 |
| Fotix | but i like western world. | 21:04 |
| juiceme | many good things here, too. but not all | 21:04 |
| juiceme | I liked how safe China was; I was able to go in the middle of night any place in Shanghai for example, but if I go to places like taht in London, I would be robbed | 21:05 |
| Fotix | for eample.European Chinese Dishes | 21:05 |
| juiceme | same in Helsinki, there are really unsafe places to be in the night | 21:06 |
| Fotix | wow | 21:06 |
| juiceme | chinese foods are good and popular in europe, yes, but I like the chinese food in China better ) | 21:07 |
| juiceme | the taste is more different in different foods, here tastes are more same in all foods... | 21:08 |
| Fotix | i cant tell the taste, i just can cook it out. | 21:09 |
| juiceme | :) | 21:09 |
| Fotix | Far from N9. but these topics made me happy :) | 21:10 |
| juiceme | yes. | 21:10 |
| juiceme | Are you a good cook, and like to make foods? | 21:11 |
| Fotix | i think I AM! | 21:11 |
| Fotix | if u came to china next time,tell me! | 21:11 |
| juiceme | I enjoy cooking, and so does my wife. We almost always make our own dinner from basic food raw material, not processed foods | 21:12 |
| Fotix | i will show what is Chinese | 21:12 |
| Fotix | Chinese Dishes | 21:12 |
| juiceme | I would like to do that yes :) | 21:12 |
| juiceme | In my current job, however I am not likely to travel to china (at least not in the foreseeable short time future) | 21:13 |
| juiceme | I used to be in a project we didi close co-operation with people in Hangzhou, then I travelled to china during my job | 21:13 |
| Fotix | i know didi | 21:14 |
| Fotix | Alibaba Co. | 21:14 |
| Fotix | their Leader is Chinese Bill Gates now。 | 21:15 |
| juiceme | I would like to, though. I liked china very much. My bother on the other hand visits China very often, about 10 times a year. And now he's in Indonesia this week | 21:15 |
| Fotix | southeast asia？ | 21:15 |
| juiceme | yes we got the news about Alibaba going public in europe too. The founder got huge amount of money | 21:16 |
| juiceme | southeast asia, yes. My brother works as an engineer for Metso which is a company making paper and pulp machinery, he goes all over world to troubleshoot things at customer sites | 21:17 |
| Fotix | do u know the meaning of "BABA" in china? | 21:18 |
| juiceme | I myself, being SW engineer can do most of my job as remote, so I don't need to travel except in extreme cases :) | 21:18 |
| juiceme | no, what it means? | 21:18 |
| Fotix | dad. | 21:18 |
| juiceme | ah | 21:18 |
| Fotix | LOL | 21:18 |
| juiceme | ali-father :) | 21:19 |
| Fotix | yes | 21:19 |
| Fotix | we all say American will buy their dad! :) | 21:19 |
| Fotix | Black Joke | 21:19 |
| juiceme | heh | 21:19 |
| juiceme | good as long as americans will give good cash for the dad :=) | 21:20 |
| Fotix | uncle Sam seems like alidad. | 21:21 |
| juiceme | uncle-ali, yes :) | 21:22 |
| Fotix | but ali is really great company. | 21:22 |
| Fotix | ali-pay are used by almost whole china. | 21:23 |
| juiceme | I have not bought anything from there, bus sometimes searched for products, yes. | 21:24 |
| Fotix | 11 Nov is a festival now. | 21:25 |
| Fotix | it is from ali | 21:25 |
| Fotix | it is online-shopping day now. | 21:26 |
| juiceme | ahh, will it be for every year from now on? :) | 21:26 |
| juiceme | is it because of 11.11 ? | 21:27 |
| Fotix | just like Black Friday | 21:27 |
| Fotix | let me see. | 21:27 |
| Fotix | from 2010 | 21:28 |
| juiceme | okay | 21:28 |
| Fotix | we call double-eleven | 21:28 |
| juiceme | holy number | 21:28 |
| juiceme | like 8.8 | 21:28 |
| juiceme | :) | 21:28 |
| Fotix | what is the day 8.8? | 21:29 |
| juiceme | nothing as far as I know, but it *could* be important, double-8 | 21:30 |
| Fotix | LOL. | 21:30 |
| Fotix | 8 in Chinese sounds like BA | 21:30 |
| juiceme | yes | 21:31 |
| Fotix | that is dad.LOL | 21:31 |
| Fotix | you traveled to china times. can you speak chinese? | 21:32 |
| juiceme | not really. I could read few common signs, and speak few words | 21:33 |
| juiceme | the problem with my line of work, is that everybody speaks english in IT :) | 21:34 |
| Fotix | yes. | 21:35 |
| juiceme | so not easy to learn a new language when going to another office, as people will speak english to you :) | 21:35 |
| juiceme | same is with forigners who come to us in finland, even living here few years. | 21:35 |
| Fotix | that is why we are excited for Zackburg's Chinese. | 21:36 |
| juiceme | A colleague of mine from China, who works with us and has been here 4 years now speaks just about few words of finnish, and his wife speaks very good finnish :) | 21:36 |
| juiceme | in company, all speak english, but his wife meets more finnish people who necessarily don's speak english that well :) | 21:37 |
| Fotix | oh i see. | 21:38 |
| juiceme | but for Zackburg to learn Chinese when going there, is very well done even if just some words. | 21:38 |
| Fotix | zackburg said his wife's grandma is from china. | 21:39 |
| juiceme | ah okay, that makes it clear then! | 21:41 |
| juiceme | of course he knows language from childhood then | 21:41 |
| Fotix | so it comes to me that why Larry Page do not have a wife who is from China | 21:42 |
| Fotix | I could use google! | 21:43 |
| juiceme | that'd be 100 times better than Facebook, yes! | 21:43 |
| Fotix | but the fact is ... | 21:44 |
| Fotix | for a period of time we even cannot use Github. | 21:45 |
| juiceme | how it that! | 21:46 |
| Fotix | that makes programmers angry | 21:46 |
| juiceme | why is github banned, that is not news-media? | 21:46 |
| juiceme | that is really silly | 21:46 |
| Fotix | much more examples | 21:47 |
| Fotix | the Great FireWall | 21:47 |
| juiceme | causes lots of trouble, that. | 21:48 |
| juiceme | but IRC is reachable :) | 21:48 |
| Fotix | we call it Kungfu wall. gov use it to ban website that they dont like. | 21:48 |
| Fotix | IRC is not papular here. Too geek for normal people. | 21:49 |
| juiceme | that stops normal people, but not anyone who knows how IP works :) | 21:49 |
| juiceme | sometimes it is good to be too geek :) | 21:50 |
| Fotix | I use it because i like ubiboot. | 21:50 |
| Fotix | it is a window. | 21:50 |
| juiceme | yes | 21:50 |
| Fotix | i can see what is open source in this window | 21:51 |
| Fotix | i dont trust the big guys. | 21:51 |
| juiceme | open source is the thing that makes world roll around, IMHO it is the most important thing happened in SW development; You can see and learn how a thing works, and use it yourself | 21:52 |
| juiceme | and it makes it harder for big companies to control the privacy of people! | 21:53 |
| Fotix | yes! | 21:53 |
| Fotix | Chinese company dont respect privacy at all | 21:55 |
| juiceme | that's same with european companies, and american is the worst. | 21:56 |
| Fotix | they report people's words to gov | 21:56 |
| juiceme | now that is bad | 21:56 |
| juiceme | here, perhaps reporting to government, but all use of people's private data as they see best. | 21:57 |
| Fotix | somebody was arrested because he said bad words by IM. | 21:57 |
| juiceme | In america, reporting to government is probable, but they have laws that forbid to tell if they are reporting :( | 21:57 |
| Fotix | we call these "Tea Time" if u r arrested by police for talk about different words from gov | 21:59 |
| juiceme | ah | 22:00 |
| Fotix | some time we feel we are in north korea | 22:00 |
| juiceme | good to have code word for that, as otherway next day police might be coming to you too | 22:00 |
| juiceme | I imagine norh corea is much worse still | 22:01 |
| Fotix | my schoolmate was invited to Tea Time once | 22:01 |
| juiceme | in china it is possible to have web, even censored. In North Korea not even that | 22:01 |
| juiceme | was it bad for him? | 22:02 |
| Fotix | not good for him. but he was released because of innocence | 22:03 |
| Fotix | Just warning | 22:03 |
| Fotix | I think use TOR to talk is more safe. | 22:04 |
| juiceme | I imagine they will have a file of him now, in the future he will be watched closely... | 22:04 |
| juiceme | TOR is good | 22:04 |
| juiceme | I run a TOR exit point myself :) | 22:04 |
| Fotix | really good | 22:05 |
| Fotix | students in HK said F-word GOV, USE TOR（same sound like condoms） | 22:06 |
| juiceme | it is a good campaign to use TOR, the more people use it the more stable the netwok is | 22:07 |
| Fotix | we cant use it directly.we need proxy to get across Kungfu Wall. | 22:08 |
| Fotix | then we can use TOR | 22:08 |
| juiceme | is it easy to find proxies in china? | 22:09 |
| Fotix | for most people,no. | 22:09 |
| Fotix | u cant sell it in public. | 22:10 |
| Fotix | and gov blocked much ports. | 22:10 |
| juiceme | I'd imagine if a proxy is known publicly, it will be shut down fast | 22:10 |
| Fotix | the people who run it will be invite to Tea Time for a Warning | 22:12 |
| juiceme | yay | 22:13 |
| Fotix | so some programers build VPNs for sail to make a living. | 22:13 |
| Fotix | for sell | 22:13 |
| juiceme | yes, when there is demand for something and it is forbidden, there's an opportunity to sell something there. | 22:14 |
| juiceme | I'd like to see it done for free, though. | 22:15 |
| Fotix | I bought the socks5 proxy for google. | 22:15 |
| juiceme | does it work reliably? | 22:15 |
| Fotix | most of the time,it is OK | 22:16 |
| Fotix | but i just dont like the feeling that i should pay for free web searching | 22:16 |
| Fotix | ridiculous | 22:17 |
| juiceme | yes, freedom of information would be best served free of payment, too | 22:17 |
| Fotix | in china people use Baidu web searching. | 22:18 |
| Fotix | it sell ads too. | 22:18 |
| Fotix | but it never tell truth | 22:18 |
| juiceme | I guess that's heavily censored by government, no freedom of information there | 22:19 |
| Fotix | who pays it will get higher in the result list | 22:20 |
| Fotix | yes | 22:20 |
| Fotix | oh. too late here. juiceme, nice talk to u, i have to go back to bed. | 22:24 |
| juiceme | okay, same here :) | 22:24 |
| juiceme | it's 22:30 here and I need to wake up at 05:40 :) | 22:24 |
| Fotix | and i hope no Tea Time comes to me :) | 22:24 |
| juiceme | I hope so too :) | 22:25 |
| Fotix | ok, good night | 22:25 |
| juiceme | and I am fairly confident IRC is generally esacping government attention :) | 22:25 |
| juiceme | night! | 22:25 |
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