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| sicelo | good day | 12:32 |
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| reinob | hi there :) | 12:54 |
| macros_ | Hi Reinob :) | 12:54 |
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| halftux | good morning | 13:01 |
| macros_ | Hello halftux | 13:04 |
| juiceme | hello all! | 13:06 |
| sicelo | hello juice | 13:06 |
| juiceme | seems the time is 12:00 CET unless I am mistaken | 13:06 |
| reinob | yup. I will have to leave in ~30min so I hope we don't have anyth9ng to discuss :) | 13:07 |
| eLtMosen | Hello everyone! | 13:09 |
| reinob | I count 6 people. qu | 13:11 |
| reinob | quorum? | 13:11 |
| sicelo | how many members are there now, btw ... quorum is 1/3 | 13:12 |
| juiceme | as I recall we don't have any requirements for number of members to be present | 13:12 |
| macros_ | We do: §9 (5) Every General Assembly called in accordance with these articles of incorporation is accepted as able to make decisions if at least one third of the active members are present. [..] | 13:14 |
| juiceme | sicelo, was the 1/3 mentioned in rules or is it a general requirement? | 13:14 |
| sicelo | there actually is ... but then, a certain number of listed GA members listed are people we haven't heard from in ages | 13:14 |
| juiceme | ah yes, thanks! | 13:14 |
| sicelo | http://wiki.maemo.org/MaemoCommunity_eV#Holding_a_meeting | 13:14 |
| sicelo | so seems 6 satisfies quorum requirements reinob | 13:14 |
| reinob | good. | 13:15 |
| macros_ | Yes the bylaws differentiate between active member who participate in meetings and such and passive members which are just members but do not take part in actvivities. | 13:16 |
| sicelo | 21 GA members in wiki. so if we take out just one (e.g. estel), 1/3 is 6 | 13:16 |
| juiceme | so to be sure, please let's have a show of hands. Please state realname. | 13:18 |
| sicelo | Sicelo | 13:18 |
| juiceme | I am juiceme, Jussi Ohenoja | 13:18 |
| reinob | reinob, Bernardo Reino | 13:19 |
| halftux | halftux, Christian Weniger | 13:19 |
| macros_ | Roger Rösch, Nickname in talk.maemo.org: macros | 13:19 |
| reinob | (I will go now, and try to follow up with the phone. If required, mention me and I should get an e-mail). | 13:20 |
| macros_ | Before you go you should state that you are up for reelection @reinob | 13:22 |
| reinob | OK. I am up for reelectiom, if so wished. | 13:23 |
| juiceme | so waiting now for the rest of the assembly to raise voice. | 13:24 |
| sicelo | eLtMosen: ping :-) | 13:24 |
| eLtMosen | Timo Könnecke, mosen on TMO | 13:30 |
| eLtMosen | Sorry for the lag, am here now | 13:33 |
| juiceme | no problem, waiting for all to announce | 13:33 |
| macros_ | Sending a ping to the remaining members listed in the wiki and currently present in the channel: @joerg @rzr (Add if I missed someone) | 13:38 |
| halftux | could be that they are all the time in this channel? | 13:40 |
| macros_ | Sure they could just have their PC running and autojoin the channel even if they are afk, so we shouldn't wait to long for them. Maybe 12:45 CET? | 13:41 |
| juiceme | so joerg, rzr and Oksana are idling on channel but not yet announ ced themselves | 13:45 |
| joerg | moin! | 14:12 |
| juiceme | hello joerg! | 14:12 |
| joerg | I'm not mentaly available yet | 14:12 |
| juiceme | :) | 14:12 |
| eLtMosen | Ahoi Jörg! | 14:13 |
| juiceme | no problem, if you just announce yourselves then we have 7 members present which makes 1/3 of the member roster,and wehave quorum. | 14:14 |
| joerg | joerg reisenweber, sleeping | 14:14 |
| sicelo | ;-) | 14:15 |
| juiceme | Allright, I count 7 members present: | 14:21 |
| juiceme | juiceme, Jussi Ohenoja | 14:21 |
| juiceme | sicelo, Sicelo Mhlongo | 14:21 |
| juiceme | reinob, Bernardo Reino | 14:21 |
| juiceme | halftux, Christian Weniger | 14:21 |
| juiceme | macros, Roger Rösch | 14:21 |
| juiceme | eLtMosen, Timo Könnecke | 14:21 |
| juiceme | joerg, Jörg Reisenweber | 14:21 |
| juiceme | Thanks for attending the meeting. | 14:21 |
| juiceme | As treasurer of MCeV, I would like to present the accounts for the fiscal year 2022, and as a bonus also the accounts of the current year 2023 | 14:22 |
| juiceme | please see the pdf file http://www.swagman.org/juice/Maemo_eV_FundsReport_2022_&_2023_signed.pdf | 14:23 |
| juiceme | the account statements have been verified and checked by reinob | 14:24 |
| juiceme | few key notes on the accounts; during the fiscal years 2022&2023 we did not have any income in the form of donations. | 14:25 |
| sicelo | thank you. looks like we'll be bankrupt in next 4 years | 14:25 |
| eLtMosen | Read the report. Acknowledged and approved | 14:25 |
| juiceme | Only expenses we had were the monthly bank fees and once per year the server rent | 14:25 |
| juiceme | and as you can see, the bank fees are disproportional to everything else. | 14:26 |
| joerg | colo rent | 14:26 |
| reinob | I confirm having audited the accounts and all were OK | 14:26 |
| juiceme | moreover, this month I received a letter from the bank that informed us that our bank account will be closed down :( | 14:27 |
| juiceme | so the board is now looking at banking alternatives, and also possibly something that does cost us less in monthly fees | 14:28 |
| sicelo | closed for inactivity? | 14:28 |
| macros_ | No reason was given | 14:29 |
| juiceme | they quoted something regarding paragraf 19(2) which states problems in respectability? | 14:29 |
| juiceme | or something on the likes. The letter was in german but members of the board who are more fluent can elaborate | 14:30 |
| joerg | DeutscheBank, sucks | 14:32 |
| macros_ | The letter just states (translated) "According to paragraph 19 (1) of our general business terms we can terminate yoiur account at any time, which we now do" | 14:32 |
| juiceme | in customer relations the banks are sure polite | 14:33 |
| juiceme | does anybody have any other questions or comments on the fiscal reports? | 14:34 |
| juiceme | we still have 1835 euros on our accounts which lasts for a long time to pay the server rent, even if some goes to bank fees. | 14:35 |
| joerg | an idea that just came to my mind (prolly still dreaming): Transfer the complete amount to either Falk (warfare) or IPHH (the colo company). | 14:40 |
| joerg | would make much sense in case we need some spare parts for the servers (drives?), and IF we need to pay any other invoice, at least Falk will be willing to do that, I'm sure | 14:42 |
| juiceme | paying in advance, yes that could be one option | 14:42 |
| * joerg cranks up audo volume - please /query(!) me for any attention needed. A local highlight may or may not be heard, first /query will be heard usually | 14:44 | |
| * joerg heads out to next room for coffee | 14:45 | |
| macros_ | We may be able to get an account at skatbank, where we would have to pay zero banking fees. But as the letter from DeutscheBank arrived recently, we are still looking at options. | 14:45 |
| halftux | but we should have an own bank account for donations | 14:46 |
| halftux | yes we are looking for different options | 14:46 |
| joerg | ooh, one thing: please, I want to hand over domain "scratchbox.org" to $maemo | 14:47 |
| juiceme | nice! | 14:47 |
| halftux | it is hosted also by colo? | 14:48 |
| joerg | do NOT publish the bank account details, ever! I ended with Deutsche Bank withdrawing random amounts from my business account and transfering them to $netflix et al, dozen times per week, for scammers who simply provided bank account details to some online "purchase". EACH SINGLE FRAUDULENT TRANSFER had to get rolled back "manually" by me, and DB charged me a ~1€ fee for each rollback. Be warned, german banks system is totally broken | 14:52 |
| juiceme | very good notice and warning. | 14:53 |
| joerg | halftux: we got one VM scratchbox.maemo.org, yes. It's part of the build system - used in some build scropts or somesuch. At least several locations in wiki point to http://scratchbox.org | 14:53 |
| joerg | host -a scratchbox.org #>>scratchbox.org. 3558 IN A 213.128.137.24 | 14:56 |
| joerg | host -a 213.128.137.24 #>> 24.137.128.213.in-addr.arpa. 28800 IN PTR scratchbox.maemo.org. | 14:56 |
| joerg | I rant about this for several years now, but eventually I _will_ tell ODN (where the domain is hosted) that I don't manage it anymore and won't pay the 12€/year for it | 14:59 |
| halftux | okay can you hand over all details so we can manage it in the future? | 15:00 |
| joerg | it's not like the domain was ultra-important for $maemo, just do we want it to eventually point to sextoys-content? | 15:01 |
| joerg | halftux: yes, I can hand over the domain ownership, but I have to tell ODN where to transfer it to. I think this is called a "KK order" | 15:02 |
| joerg | all other maemo domains are at falk's "fourecks.de"(?) | 15:03 |
| sicelo | i think it's appropriate for Maemo to handle those expenses, yes. | 15:03 |
| halftux | are the maemo domains registered with the eV or is a private person behind this? | 15:04 |
| joerg | Falk (warfare) | 15:08 |
| joerg | so all other domains are "at maemo admin", it's ok | 15:10 |
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| joerg | I wouldn't be surprised if he's at CCC Hamburg | 15:12 |
| halftux | fine so I can take over scratchbox.org if it is needed I don't know how to do it as an eV | 15:13 |
| joerg | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_Communication_Congress | 15:13 |
| joerg | cmd: host -a maemo.org >Trying "maemo.org" | 15:14 |
| joerg | cmd: host -a maemo.org >;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 15092 | 15:14 |
| joerg | cmd: host -a maemo.org >;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 6, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1 | 15:14 |
| joerg | cmd: host -a maemo.org >;; QUESTION SECTION: | 15:14 |
| joerg | cmd: host -a maemo.org >;maemo.org.INANY | 15:14 |
| joerg | cmd: host -a maemo.org >;; ANSWER SECTION: | 15:14 |
| joerg | cmd: host -a maemo.org >maemo.org.24INNSns.zeropage.net. | 15:14 |
| joerg | cmd: host -a maemo.org >maemo.org.24INNSns2.zeropage.net. | 15:14 |
| joerg | cmd: host -a maemo.org >maemo.org.24INA213.128.137.20 | 15:14 |
| joerg | cmd: host -a maemo.org >maemo.org.24INMX10 mail.maemo.org. | 15:14 |
| joerg | cmd: host -a maemo.org >maemo.org.24INTXT"v=spf1 mx ip4:213.128.137.0/27 -all" | 15:15 |
| joerg | cmd: host -a maemo.org >maemo.org.24INSOAns.zeropage.net. falk.fourecks.de. 2022050601 25000 10000 3600000 3600 | 15:15 |
| joerg | cmd: host -a maemo.org >;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: | 15:15 |
| joerg | cmd: host -a maemo.org >mail.maemo.org.24INA213.128.137.23 | 15:15 |
| joerg | cmd: host -a maemo.org >Received 227 bytes from 192.168.4.1#53 in 0 ms | 15:15 |
| joerg | all are at ns.zeropage.net. falk.fourecks.de | 15:15 |
| macros_ | I guess we would have the register a new account at a hoster ( the e.V. is a legal entity after all) an then move the domain there. | 15:15 |
| joerg | forget it, this is not going anywhere in the end. scratchbox should just go to ns.zeropage.net too | 15:16 |
| halftux | fine with me it is also easier for payment when falk is doing all domain business | 15:18 |
| halftux | juiceme are we done with the fiscal report or do we need a voting about the acceptance? | 15:19 |
| joerg | I accept the reports | 15:34 |
| halftux | I accept the reports too | 15:34 |
| sicelo | i accept them too | 15:35 |
| halftux | reinob already did | 15:35 |
| halftux | so noboday speaks against it it looks like we have some abstentions | 15:36 |
| macros_ | I accept them too. | 15:36 |
| eLtMosen | As stated above, for completion, i accept the financial report. | 15:38 |
| halftux | so thank you very much juiceme you did a good job as treasurer | 15:38 |
| halftux | so the last topic would be any other business | 15:42 |
| halftux | anybody has something in ḿind? | 15:42 |
| juiceme | sorry, I was afk for a while | 15:42 |
| halftux | no problem welcome back | 15:43 |
| juiceme | we had no other business announced to the board beforehands | 15:43 |
| juiceme | and board election is not needed unless somebody insists on a change | 15:43 |
| juiceme | so unless other concerns/info is raised, we can conclude the official part of the meeting | 15:44 |
| juiceme | on behalf of the board and council, I thank you all for attending! | 15:45 |
| juiceme | and have a Happy New Year! | 15:45 |
| halftux | I would suggest maybe to write an email to the members and see if all still in or if we can exclude some members who will not participate anymore in the future | 15:45 |
| sicelo | someday (not today) we may have to consider an amendment regarding membership ... handling absent members, i.e. those who really disappear (for various reasons) | 15:45 |
| juiceme | true too | 15:45 |
| sicelo | ah, same line of thinking as halftux. | 15:45 |
| halftux | so yes have a Happy New Year all! | 15:46 |
| macros_ | I support that. We already have the differentiation between active and passive members in the bylaws, so just an mail to question everybody I he wants to be an active member oder passive member should suffice (with no answer= passive member) | 15:47 |
| macros_ | Thank you very much for conducting the meeting juiceme. And Happy New year to everyone too! | 15:48 |
| joerg | HNY o/ | 15:50 |
| juiceme | bye all!! | 15:50 |
| eLtMosen | Thanks all for your continued effort <3 | 15:52 |
| eLtMosen | And may 2024 be fortunate for everyone | 15:52 |
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| reinob | thanks everyone! | 16:17 |
| sicelo | best wishes | 16:23 |
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