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| halftux | Hi all | 18:55 |
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| macros_ | Hi halftux :) | 18:55 |
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| @juiceme | Hi halftux, macros_ | 19:02 |
| reinob | hi there :) | 19:02 |
| @juiceme | hi reinob | 19:02 |
| @juiceme | how's your health? | 19:03 |
| reinob | I'm OK. One of the few who still hasn't ever tested positive, so it must be a good thing :-) | 19:03 |
| @juiceme | I'm recovering from Covid, got positive result in test last week after getting severe flu symptoms | 19:04 |
| @juiceme | now much better already | 19:04 |
| reinob | Oh. But happy to hear you're doing better | 19:04 |
| @juiceme | though I have 3 shots which must help at least somewhat | 19:04 |
| @juiceme | good thing is I didi not have any fever/temperature, only muscle aches and flu symptoms | 19:05 |
| reinob | that's what they say. I also have the 3 shots, but still try to dodge the virus if I can. If only to prevent my children (who also have the 3 shots) from testing positive, which is then a real problem in the school (if you take school seriously, that is :) | 19:05 |
| halftux | Welcome reinob | 19:12 |
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| reinob | did you guys see the e-mail from peterleinchen? is proxy voting allowed? | 19:15 |
| halftux | he must attend the meeting will look now in the e-mail | 19:17 |
| macros_ | We have nothing to allow it in the bylaws, so no proxy voting | 19:17 |
| macros_ | (and even if I would question the legality in Germany) | 19:17 |
| @juiceme | bylaws §9 General Assembly (8) says: "An active member can be represented by another active member in the General Assembly by written authority, however no member may represent more than 5 members." | 20:06 |
| macros_ | Sorry I missed that | 20:06 |
| @juiceme | That is in german version as "Ein aktives Mitglied kann sich aufgrund einer schriftlichen Vollmacht in der Mitgliederversammlung durch ein anderes aktives Mitglied vertreten lassen, jedoch darf kein Mitglied mehr als 3 Mitglieder vertreten." | 20:07 |
| macros_ | So I guess it should be ok for an e.V. | 20:07 |
| @juiceme | macros_, yes :) | 20:07 |
| @juiceme | which is kind of funny because the german version says 3 representations per member, and english says 5. | 20:08 |
| @juiceme | but the german is definitive so in case of discrepancy we go by it | 20:08 |
| macros_ | Thats a common error in the translation I noticed today also council is with 5 in English with 3 in German, good that the German version is binding ;) | 20:09 |
| reinob | well spotted guys. at least then we can consider peterleinchen to be present, and Jussi can vote for him. | 20:13 |
| macros_ | Just researched and https://www.vereinswelt.de/mitglieder-stimmrecht-delegieren says proxy voting is ok for board elections if noted in the bylaws, so we are fine. | 20:13 |
| reinob | thanks, macros! | 20:14 |
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| chem|st | hey folks! | 20:24 |
| sicelo | hi chem|st | 20:24 |
| halftux | hi chem|st nice that you joining | 20:26 |
| reinob | hey chem|st! | 20:31 |
| reinob | so, we're 7 and it's not even 20:00 CET :) | 20:33 |
| halftux | how many are 1/3? Is the wiki up to date? | 20:34 |
| halftux | looks good then | 20:35 |
| chem|st | Peter gave power of att. to Jussi | 20:35 |
| reinob | yup, we're 6+1 if I'm counting right | 20:36 |
| macros_ | And I am fairly certain we will be more | 20:37 |
| reinob | Missing (yet): Wikiwide, mosen, joerg, eekkelund, rZr, fellfrosch, ilmanowar, warfare (is low_ a member?) | 20:37 |
| chem|st | yes low is | 20:38 |
| reinob | great, is she attending? | 20:38 |
| chem|st | i guess so | 20:38 |
| chem|st | i will remind her 5 minutes | 20:40 |
| reinob | and according to my list there's also seven "dormants": shawking, nieldk, sjefferson, ryan, paulmcgcarlin, twilight123, absicz. Peterleinchen is luckily not dormant anymore, at least for today via Jussi.. | 20:41 |
| chem|st | twilight123 is on AU time iirc | 20:42 |
| sicelo | reinob: how do you determine dormancy? | 20:43 |
| reinob | nope, just by looking at the e-mails from Jussi to all members, the nicks (actually, e-mail address wi/o domain) of those who never answer or never show up.. | 20:46 |
| reinob | twilight123 is Estel if I'm not wrong? | 20:46 |
| chem|st | ah then not AU time | 20:47 |
| reinob | AU is Oksana/Wikiwide IIRC | 20:48 |
| sicelo | reinob: well absicsz does reply and show up. it's me | 20:48 |
| reinob | lol sorry. I hadn't linked e-mail to IRC nick in your case until now :) THANKS! | 20:48 |
| chem|st | reinob: you do not have the memeber chart? | 20:49 |
| reinob | not that I'm aware of. I guess you and Jussi must have the one source-of-truth membership list.. | 20:50 |
| chem|st | the list of all members has IRC registration nicks to verify | 20:50 |
| chem|st | i will check in my backups | 20:51 |
| chem|st | I forwarded everything in 2017 | 20:51 |
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| chem|st | as emails were not fwd to me, I cannot tell if there are new members after Ryan | 20:55 |
| halftux | me, fellfrosch and macros are new members | 20:55 |
| chem|st | and there was no update of nicknames since freenode I guess | 20:55 |
| reinob | the wiki (http://wiki.maemo.org/MaemoCommunity_eV) has a list, but I cannot know if that's accurate. halftux and fellfrosch are there, but macros hasn't been added yet. | 20:56 |
| chem|st | halftux: who did confirm the entry? | 20:56 |
| chem|st | jussi? | 20:56 |
| halftux | yes jussi | 20:57 |
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| macros_ | reinob: I am also in the list on the wiki, it seems to be up to date | 20:57 |
| chem|st | my last list is 2016 | 20:57 |
| @juiceme | Hiya all | 20:57 |
| Fellfrosch | hi there | 20:57 |
| reinob | macros_: your eyes are better than mine. Thanks! | 20:57 |
| chem|st | juiceme: hi | 20:57 |
| low_ | good evening | 20:57 |
| @juiceme | As far as I know Estel disappeared suddenly some years back and I fear something had happened to him | 20:58 |
| macros_ | Hi juice | 20:58 |
| reinob | hi low :) | 20:58 |
| reinob | hi fellfrosch! | 20:58 |
| @juiceme | reinob, the list in Wiki is accurate, I have kept it up to date | 20:58 |
| reinob | Great. Thanks juiceme | 20:59 |
| halftux | hi low and fellfrosch | 20:59 |
| reinob | I wonder if @joerg will show up. I just /query'ed him, but I don't know.. | 21:00 |
| Fellfrosch | we will see | 21:00 |
| @juiceme | Okay. The time is now 20:00 CET and I hammer down the meeting open | 21:01 |
| macros_ | As I am fairly new in case anybody wants some quick background on me look here: https://testem.duckdns.org/macros_background.txt | 21:01 |
| joerg | sorry I can't attend | 21:02 |
| @juiceme | welcome to the General Assembly 2/2022 | 21:02 |
| reinob | joerg: pity | 21:02 |
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| @juiceme | I'd like to keep the official part quick as I am not really all that recovered from covid now | 21:03 |
| ilmanowar15 | hello | 21:03 |
| sicelo | juiceme: sure. i also have somewhere to run afterwards | 21:03 |
| @juiceme | so without further ado, I'd like us to determine if we have quorum. | 21:04 |
| @juiceme | please state your names for the record | 21:04 |
| chem|st | Ruediger Schiller | 21:04 |
| low_ | Sarah Schiller | 21:04 |
| macros_ | Roger Rösch | 21:04 |
| ilmanowar15 | Massimo Leonardo Filograno | 21:04 |
| reinob | Bernardo Reino Romero (reinob) | 21:04 |
| halftux | halftux - christian weniger | 21:04 |
| @juiceme | Jussi Ohenoja, juiceme | 21:04 |
| Fellfrosch | Fellfrosch | Ulrich Müller | 21:05 |
| sicelo | Sicelo Mhlongo | 21:05 |
| halftux | juice you are also for peter here | 21:05 |
| @juiceme | Yes, I also have power of attorney for Peter Leinchen | 21:06 |
| joerg | no pity. Feel happy I don't confuse you with my suggestions and comments. I obviously can't help in any way. You don't need me | 21:06 |
| @juiceme | so I count 11 present, excluding Joerg | 21:07 |
| reinob | The name of "Peter Leinchen" is actually Kai Lohff. | 21:07 |
| @juiceme | reinob, thanks. I always knew him as Peter | 21:08 |
| @juiceme | So we have quorum, let's move to next point. | 21:08 |
| @juiceme | We need chair and secretary for the meeting, any volunteers? | 21:08 |
| halftux | since mosen is not here I can do secretary | 21:09 |
| @juiceme | As I am running for board position, I'd rather not take either of those positions | 21:10 |
| @juiceme | halftux, thanks. | 21:10 |
| @juiceme | I second halftux | 21:10 |
| macros_ | I do too | 21:10 |
| * sicelo too | 21:10 | |
| @juiceme | and takers for chairman? | 21:10 |
| * sicelo nominates reinob perhaps | 21:11 | |
| reinob | Thanks sicelo. I'm also running for board, but otherwise I'm fine with it. Need some babysitting maybe, as I have no experience | 21:11 |
| @juiceme | If reinob accepts, he is also runner so I am not sure if it is proper | 21:11 |
| reinob | OK,then better not. We have enough issues to fix... | 21:12 |
| reinob | chem|st? | 21:12 |
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| low_ | i can be chair but you have to babysit me | 21:12 |
| macros_ | Thank you low_ | 21:12 |
| @juiceme | I second low_ | 21:13 |
| macros_ | You have my support | 21:13 |
| low_ | lovely | 21:13 |
| @juiceme | chairing is fairly simple, as we have just one topic to handle | 21:13 |
| reinob | great! thanks low, thanks all, and thanks sicelo for your trust in me :) | 21:13 |
| low_ | alright | 21:14 |
| @juiceme | so I will now hand over meeting chair to Sarah Schiller, who should then start by arraging vote for the new board. | 21:14 |
| low_ | so what's the mode of voting? first we collect candidates? | 21:15 |
| @juiceme | yes please. | 21:15 |
| @juiceme | we have 4 candidates pre registeres, are there more | 21:15 |
| low_ | ok who are the ones preregistered then? | 21:16 |
| * juiceme is running for board, I am Jussi Ohenoja from Finland | 21:16 | |
| halftux | juiceme, reinob, halftux, macros | 21:16 |
| halftux | or real names? | 21:17 |
| * reinob (Bernardo Reino Romero), from Spain, living in Germany, candidate too for board | 21:17 | |
| * macros_ is running for board, I am Roger Rösch from Germany | 21:17 | |
| halftux | halftux running for board, I am Christian Weniger from Germany too | 21:17 |
| low_ | alright. are there any more candidates or proposals? | 21:18 |
| chem|st | usually no realnames and no emails in the meeting, that is why you need your irc registration updated with the board | 21:18 |
| low_ | so what is your point? | 21:19 |
| chem|st | and be logged in to attend | 21:19 |
| chem|st | low_: just saying | 21:19 |
| chem|st | go ahead pls | 21:19 |
| Fellfrosch | what's with juice? Isn't he willing to continue? | 21:19 |
| sicelo | he is running :-) | 21:20 |
| low_ | this. | 21:20 |
| macros_ | He is, see message from 20:16 | 21:20 |
| reinob | right | 21:20 |
| Fellfrosch | ah sorry, stupid question | 21:20 |
| low_ | ok. we had eleven people present. who is @ilmanowar15 ? | 21:21 |
| ilmanowar15 | Same of ilmanowat | 21:21 |
| ilmanowar15 | ilmanowar | 21:21 |
| ilmanowar15 | just another device. | 21:21 |
| low_ | ah just double loggin alright | 21:21 |
| low_ | so, each person has 3 votes, and i understood jussi had received 3 additional votes from Kai | 21:22 |
| @juiceme | low_, actualy no, just each is voted sepatarely | 21:23 |
| reinob | yes, maybe for the minutes, with e-mail today 17.03.2022 at 15:42 CET "As I cannot take part in the Maemo e.V. GA meeting on 17.03.2022 I hereby declare to hand over my vote to you." | 21:23 |
| @juiceme | so yes/no/empty for easch, and I have 2 votes for each candidate | 21:23 |
| low_ | how many slots are in the board of directors? | 21:24 |
| chem|st | 3 | 21:24 |
| macros_ | Actually any number | 21:24 |
| reinob | 4 would be OK too | 21:24 |
| macros_ | §7(1) The Board of Directors consists of three or more natural persons at least 21 years of age. It shall represent the association legally and extrajudicial. | 21:24 |
| low_ | sweet | 21:24 |
| low_ | so let's go through each candidate, and then we go yay/nay/abstain and you need to speak up? | 21:25 |
| halftux | yes | 21:26 |
| low_ | ok so all in favor of juiceme answer with aye | 21:27 |
| chem|st | aye | 21:27 |
| macros_ | aye | 21:27 |
| sicelo | aye | 21:27 |
| reinob | aye | 21:27 |
| Fellfrosch | aye | 21:27 |
| @juiceme | aye * 2 | 21:27 |
| ilmanowar15 | AYE | 21:27 |
| halftux | aye | 21:27 |
| low_ | aye | 21:27 |
| low_ | all against juiceme answer with nay | 21:27 |
| low_ | that's noone then | 21:28 |
| joerg | §7(3) Der Vorstand wählt aus seiner Mitte einen Vorsitzenden und zwei Stellvertreter. Hiervon sind jeweils zwei gemeinsam zur Vertretung des Vereins berechtigt. | 21:28 |
| low_ | all abstain from voting for juiceme put an X now | 21:28 |
| reinob | joerg: are you or are you not present today. | 21:28 |
| low_ | so that's 10/0/0 aye/nay/abstain for juiceme Jussi Ohenoja from Finland | 21:29 |
| low_ | proceeding with reinob Bernardo Reino Romero | 21:30 |
| sicelo | aye | 21:30 |
| low_ | all in favor of reinob answer with aye | 21:30 |
| reinob | aye | 21:30 |
| ilmanowar15 | aye | 21:30 |
| macros_ | aye | 21:30 |
| halftux | aye | 21:30 |
| Fellfrosch | aye | 21:30 |
| low_ | aye | 21:30 |
| @juiceme | aye * 2 | 21:30 |
| low_ | all against reinob answer with nay | 21:30 |
| chem|st | aye | 21:31 |
| low_ | laaaag | 21:31 |
| low_ | that's noone then | 21:31 |
| low_ | all abstain from voting for reinob put an X now | 21:31 |
| sicelo | aye (again, in case it was wrong to aye *before* chairperson requested. sorry) | 21:31 |
| low_ | all good | 21:31 |
| low_ | so that's 10/0/0 aye/nay/abstain for reinob | 21:32 |
| low_ | continuning with halftux christian weniger | 21:32 |
| low_ | all in favor of halftux answer aye now | 21:32 |
| sicelo | aye | 21:32 |
| macros_ | aye | 21:32 |
| reinob | aye | 21:32 |
| low_ | aye | 21:32 |
| @juiceme | aye * 2 | 21:32 |
| chem|st | aye | 21:33 |
| Fellfrosch | aye | 21:33 |
| halftux | aye | 21:33 |
| low_ | all against halftux answer nay now | 21:33 |
| ilmanowar15 | aye | 21:33 |
| low_ | that's noone then | 21:33 |
| low_ | all abstain from voting for halftux put an X now | 21:34 |
| low_ | so that's 10/0/0 aye/nay/abstain for halftux christian weniger | 21:34 |
| low_ | final candidate macros Roger Rösch | 21:35 |
| low_ | all in favor of macros put aye now | 21:35 |
| ilmanowar15 | aye | 21:35 |
| reinob | aye | 21:35 |
| low_ | aye | 21:35 |
| @juiceme | aye * 2 | 21:35 |
| macros_ | aye | 21:35 |
| halftux | aye | 21:35 |
| chem|st | aye | 21:35 |
| Fellfrosch | aye | 21:35 |
| low_ | all against macros put nay now | 21:35 |
| low_ | @sicelo wakey wakey | 21:36 |
| low_ | all abstain from voting for macros put an X now | 21:36 |
| sicelo | X | 21:36 |
| low_ | alright, that concludes 9/0/1 aye/nay/abstain for macros Roger Roesch (w/Umlaut) | 21:37 |
| chem|st | grats | 21:37 |
| reinob | congratulations juiceme, halftux and macros! | 21:38 |
| sicelo | thanks :-) | 21:38 |
| halftux | thx | 21:38 |
| low_ | so we have 4 elected members of the board. do you accept the vote and the related duties until the next elections? | 21:38 |
| halftux | and congratz to all board members | 21:38 |
| macros_ | congratz as well from me | 21:38 |
| * reinob accepts the vote and related duties | 21:38 | |
| @juiceme | thanks, and congrats for the new board! | 21:38 |
| Fellfrosch | ocngratulations to all 4 | 21:39 |
| * macros_ accepts the vote and duties | 21:39 | |
| * juiceme accepts | 21:39 | |
| Fellfrosch | so if I undestood joerg right,we have not just to elect a boord but as well a director of the board. | 21:39 |
| halftux | I will accept the vote and all duties | 21:39 |
| macros_ | Fellfrosch: The board has to do so | 21:39 |
| chem|st | Fellfrosch: no, the board handles itself | 21:39 |
| ilmanowar15 | congrats | 21:39 |
| sicelo | Fellfrosch: they need to do it among themselves. | 21:39 |
| Fellfrosch | a ok thanx for info | 21:39 |
| chem|st | is there a board channel yet? | 21:40 |
| halftux | but this can be done in a board meeting not in GA we can do afterwards because of irgendness | 21:40 |
| reinob | not that I'm aware | 21:40 |
| @juiceme | yes or at least there was on old IRC | 21:40 |
| chem|st | I' like to attend the meeting incase there are questions | 21:40 |
| chem|st | there is now | 21:41 |
| chem|st | it needs to be properly registered though | 21:41 |
| reinob | chem|st: I will certainly be happy if you attend (once we have registered it) | 21:41 |
| chem|st | it is #maemo-board | 21:41 |
| @juiceme | chem|st, thanks. That will be done with librechat admins | 21:41 |
| joerg | I contribute in quoting the lady of AGKL >>wir brauchen hier die korrekten daten der personen *die unterschriftsberechtigt sind*<< | 21:42 |
| low_ | ok so there is one final thing I have to ask the general assembly, which is to task the newly elected board, and in particular the to be elected chair and lieutenants | 21:42 |
| chem|st | joerg, I am well aware and join the board meeting | 21:42 |
| joerg | I think it's not appropriate board does silent negotiations | 21:42 |
| sicelo | so who can join #maemo-board? | 21:43 |
| joerg | there is no need for a #maemo-board channe | 21:43 |
| sicelo | it's board members only or? | 21:43 |
| reinob | the board decides who the director is, and who the two delegates are. IIRC. | 21:43 |
| @juiceme | joerg, the board should handle the internal assignments by self, chair, secretary, treasurer etc. | 21:44 |
| halftux | I am fine with chem|st joining board meeting | 21:44 |
| chem|st | joerg board meetings are eV puplic, not general public... | 21:44 |
| low_ | ok so .... | 21:44 |
| chem|st | sicelo: eV members only | 21:44 |
| macros_ | I am also fine with chem|st joining | 21:44 |
| joerg | this meeting is eV public | 21:44 |
| @juiceme | joerg, all meeting minutes will be published anyways | 21:45 |
| chem|st | PG2 of the board bylaws | 21:45 |
| low_ | so, just to be perfectly crystal clear: | 21:45 |
| @juiceme | board internal chat logs need not be public | 21:45 |
| low_ | so, just to be perfectly crystal clear: | 21:45 |
| joerg | it's outright wrong and weird to drag the discussion about board into a closed channel | 21:45 |
| low_ | the newly elected board has two duties now: | 21:46 |
| chem|st | low please go ahead | 21:46 |
| low_ | elect the chair of the board and two lieutenants as legal representatives of the eV | 21:46 |
| @juiceme | yes | 21:47 |
| reinob | joerg: I remind you that you chose not to attend this very GA, so I'm not sure what your aim is right now. And I do appreciate you and your opinion, but there are forms and rules. | 21:47 |
| low_ | and then ensure that those three register the necessary information with the AG KL within the well-known time frame discussed in our emails | 21:47 |
| @juiceme | yes | 21:47 |
| low_ | good :) | 21:48 |
| reinob | should be do that NOW, or after the GA? | 21:48 |
| reinob | s/be/we/ | 21:48 |
| chem|st | reinob: after | 21:48 |
| reinob | ty | 21:48 |
| low_ | it's perhaps better to wrap this up now | 21:48 |
| low_ | so, with the voting conducted, and any conflict of interest out of the way for now, juiceme would you please take over chair of this GA meeting again? | 21:50 |
| @juiceme | low_, thanks | 21:50 |
| reinob | Thanks low for handling the voting so well! | 21:50 |
| * low_ blushes. yw | 21:50 | |
| @juiceme | thank you Sarah for chairing this meeting | 21:50 |
| sicelo | thanks indeed :-) | 21:50 |
| @juiceme | We have one bullet still, AOB. | 21:50 |
| low_ | aob? | 21:51 |
| halftux | any other buisiness | 21:51 |
| chem|st | juiceme: the board can change that without the GA | 21:51 |
| @juiceme | There was mail last week on some changes to agenda but do you think it is still relevant? | 21:51 |
| sicelo | AOB: where do we stand at this point with our possible 600eur fine? | 21:51 |
| @juiceme | It should be avoided if we act quick. | 21:52 |
| @juiceme | and we should have time toi do that | 21:52 |
| halftux | there was discussion about dismissal but we don't need | 21:52 |
| @juiceme | yes, not needed | 21:52 |
| @juiceme | and same goes for the proposition to change registration address | 21:52 |
| low_ | ok | 21:52 |
| @juiceme | so, unless there are other matters, I'd end the meeting now | 21:53 |
| reinob | we could, for clarity, clearly state that the former board directors (except juiceme of course) are dismissed/removed | 21:53 |
| reinob | but if not needed OK | 21:53 |
| @juiceme | noted in the vote. | 21:53 |
| reinob | +1 | 21:53 |
| @juiceme | all startted "fresh" | 21:53 |
| ilmanowar15 | then that is all? | 21:55 |
| low_ | so I'm looking forward to having normal eV business soon again. | 21:55 |
| @juiceme | so, thank you all for attending this meeting, and fare well!! | 21:55 |
| @juiceme | low_, so do I :) | 21:55 |
| Fellfrosch | Ok guys and girls. If I understood it right, meeting is finished. I wish all a nice evening! | 21:55 |
| @juiceme | good night everybody! | 21:56 |
| macros_ | Thanks to everybody paticipating! | 21:56 |
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| sicelo | night, best wishes :-) | 21:56 |
| ilmanowar15 | Good night, bye! | 21:56 |
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| reinob | Thanks all! good night! | 21:58 |
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| sicelo | halftux: reinob: i guess matrix is better preferred than signal for fossies | 22:52 |
| sicelo | the facebook page chem|st refers to is https://www.facebook.com/maemo.org/ ? | 22:54 |
| sicelo | anyone has an objection? i think a basic showcasing of Maemo Leste on that Facebook page is in order - page is sorely in need of some love. i could help with this task | 23:01 |
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