Friday, 2022-02-18

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joergwould be pretty useful if we could find halftux before he's missing the meeting17:30
joerghi pabs3 17:30
pabs3hi17:31
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sicelo\o pabs3 ,joerg 20:44
+reinobhey there :)20:45
joerganybody "seen" halftux?20:48
joerg[15 Feb 2022 22:11:45] <joerg> we need to contact halftux/Christian to ask him if he's willing to run for porper long term board candidate20:49
joerg[15 Feb 2022 22:13:08] <joerg> also if anybody else is willing/intending to apply for a board role, please holler *before* Friday's meeting20:49
joerg[15 Feb 2022 22:18:18] <joerg> we need at least one additional (emergency) board member to constitute a board with full legal competence to get  the new board notarized20:49
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ilmanowarHello20:51
ilmanowarHow are you doing, Maemo eV members?20:53
+reinobI haven't heard anything from halftux or any other potential candidates.. so unless enough people candidate (to allow for some choice :) I will continue to candidate for the Notvorstand (and beyond, if/as wanted by you guys)20:53
+reinobhey ilmanowar20:53
ilmanowarHello, happy to get a reply, pretty on this new irc server20:54
ilmanowar*I am pretty new20:55
+reinob:)20:56
joergfor the record: if we can't get a formal "I accept" from two new board members that are willing to get elected in a regular election for new board, we will have to do all the legal paperwork and fees expense TWO times, or just don't elect any new board members in a GA20:58
+reinobI accept20:58
sicelo   <joerg> also if anybody else is willing/intending to apply for a board role, please holler *before* Friday's meeting --- raising my hand for board if necessary. I suppose it's best if it's someone in Europe, but I'm here too20:59
siceloilmanowar: hey :-)21:00
ilmanowarI acceeeeept21:00
@juicemeevening everybody!21:01
+reinobgood evening!21:01
ilmanowarGood evening and Good night for those with CET+2 or more like me 21:02
@juicemeilmanowar, I cannot offhand remember if you're a MCeV member?21:03
ilmanowarI should, I am on the list, I am Massimo Filograno21:03
@juicemeregarding your "I acceeeeept" announcement21:03
+reinobit's hard to map irc nicks to actual names. Oh, welcome Massimo :)21:03
@juicemeah of course!21:03
@juicemesorry :)21:03
joergsidenote, please add your irc names to any mails you send21:04
eLtMosenHey all! <321:04
+reinobHi Mosen!21:04
joergand hi all21:04
maemishGood evening from a friends summer cottage, in the middle of the forest, no electricity and only light fireplace and one candle. Not the best signal either.21:04
ilmanowarI know Juiceme. My nick is not even related to my name as your.21:04
@juicemeeLtMosen, hi!21:04
@juicememaemish, welcome!21:05
ilmanowarmaemish: wooow21:05
ilmanowarWelcome all21:05
macros_Hi21:05
+reinobnice to have such good attendance :) hey macros_21:06
ilmanowarHi macros_21:06
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+reinobI was hoping to have halftux here today, as I understood he'd like to candidate too..21:07
@juicemeso regarding the candidates for MCeV board, we need 2 csndidates that I can appoint as directors; such people that preferably would be willing to serve in long term.21:07
+reinobI'd like to candidate.21:07
@juicemeany member can be appointed, but it would be easier if they would live in Germany. (however that cannot be a binding requiremenT921:08
+reinob(for the record: I live in Germany, and for the curious: I'm spanish :)21:08
ilmanowarHola Reinob21:09
@juicemereinob, I'd like to appoint you as an interim Director of the Board of Maemo Community e.V.21:09
+reinobThanks @juiceme. I accept.21:09
@juicemeexcellent. Now to make it perfect we'd need to have another appointment21:10
ilmanowarI would help but I am afraid I cannot do much from here in Saudi Arabia21:10
ilmanowarI am practically in the desert..21:10
@juicemehalftux did voice his candidacy before, but we have not been able to confirm this 21:10
joerg>>such people that preferably would be willing to serve in long term<< s/preferably/mandatory/21:10
@juicemeilmanowar, warmt is nice tough, it's knee-deep sleet here up north now! :)21:11
@juicemejoerg, yes21:11
ilmanowarMay I know what are the duties?21:11
siceloI can  i also recall halfux accepting21:11
@juicemeilmanowar, maintaining the official business and assets of the association; both material and immaterial21:12
ilmanowarjuiceme: 😅21:12
+reinobUnfortunately the election has to be sort of "fixed" today/soon/way-before-the-actual-GA so that those "elected" can already prepare the appointment with the notary & stuff..21:12
+reinobnot meaning to be undemocratic or anything, but deadlines are deadlines..21:13
joergI suggest juiceme appoints halftux too, seeking for halftux acceptance per mail UNTIL TUESDAY, and all attending active members of MCeV informally support this now21:13
siceloAgreed at accepting halftux acceptance 21:13
@juicemeyes, I have been drafting the notice to be notarized. (in english, so I'll need help translating it to german)21:13
sicelo(My network is so bad today)21:14
ilmanowarOk for me21:14
+reinobilmanowar: would you be willing to also accept (to be elected as "permanent" board director) if halftux doesn't show up and accept in time?21:14
joergreinob: excellent21:15
siceloI'd be available on permanent basis too 21:15
ilmanowarI can accept, but here I am afraid to do not find easily a notary. I understand that it is required 21:15
eLtMosenSince the specifications fit me quite well, i feel the need to explain why i am currently not fit for any longterm plans. Pandemic left my business in shambels and i don't know myself what will be in the next few weeks. So, i am happy to attend, but, yeah...21:15
siceloIn halftux absence 21:16
joergilmanowar: yes21:16
+reinobsicelo & ilmanowar: that's fantastic.21:16
macros_Thank you both21:16
siceloeLtMosen: thanks. I think you're in Council, and at least can help us transition to a new one sometime later on :-)21:16
joergeLtMosen: same here, and more similar mess21:16
+reinobmosen: sorry about that. I still had in my todo list to visit DUS again and maybe pay you a visit :)21:17
maemishI accept you all if needed and it helps.21:17
+reinobThanks maemish :)21:17
@juicemeall, has anybody had contact with halftux?21:17
joergnot here21:17
+reinobnope, I just checked in his "mumble" server in case he's idling there, but nope21:18
ilmanowarI will seek for that notary here. But please keep me as plan B, because yet I do not move easily here.21:19
eLtMosenreinob: Anytime, just give some days prior notice and you'll get juiceme treatment :P21:19
joergilmanowar: may I ask where's "here"?21:19
ilmanowarSaudi Arabia 21:19
joergtricky, we would need to approve the notary approval itself to make sure it's equivalent to a german one21:20
joergprobably a nightmare and expensive like...21:20
ilmanowarThat is my worry. Maybe translation is also required since they could have some local language parts..21:20
@juicemethat why it'd be preferred to have people living in germany 21:21
joergyes, of course21:21
joerggermany or at least europe almost mandatory21:21
joergEU21:21
eLtMosenMaybe halftux mistook the meeting time +1 hour due to CET+1 or not?21:21
joergpossible, eLtMosen 21:22
@juicemeI know from previous experience that finnish notarization is accepted in german courts :)21:22
joergjuiceme: ooh, not EU? :-)21:22
+reinobsicelo: you in Italy or did you mention Africa?21:22
joergafrica21:22
ilmanowarI do not mind having a telegram or a whatsapp or a signal group to get reached easily 21:22
joergilmanowar: notarization is in person21:23
siceloYeah, southernmost part of Africa ... Eswatini, formerly Swaziland 21:23
+reinobsounds German, maybe it'll do :)21:23
+reinobJust kidding21:23
sicelo:-D21:24
ilmanowarI mean if we have a group, people can be reached more easily, we have lifes rich of duties and it could help.21:24
@juicemelet's wait up to 21:00 CET to see if halftux comes online21:25
+reinobYup. I guess "the group" is #maemo-meeting, but it's not so convenient as signal/threema/etc. Maybe something to think about. Plus updated contact details for those members who haven't even responded/showed up (peterleinchen?)21:25
@juicemeirc has the benefit of easy logging.21:26
@juiceme(i don't know about those others...)21:26
ilmanowarA mobile phone group is better because you are more reachable 21:26
ilmanowarAt any time (e.g., if you forgot a meeting)21:26
+reinobI even some IRC-idiot like me managed to have a permanent session running with instant e-mail notification when mentioned, so it's sorta doable..21:26
sicelo+1 @irc. If people want something "modern", I'd say let that be matrix. All the other options are proprietary 21:27
ilmanowarInstead a chat group, is not certified at all. Someone could impersonate halftux for example..21:27
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+reinobbut I admit that some day a GA with Zoom (or Jitsi) would be quite nice, to see the people you've read and written to (occasionally) in the last 10 years?21:28
ilmanowarreinob: +121:28
sicelo:-)21:29
macros_+1 too21:29
ilmanowarI will investigate about matrix and see about the notification on the irc channel.21:29
eLtMosenWe have a neat matrix server for AsteroidOS with bridge too libra21:29
siceloYes matrix has irc bridges21:29
joergI'll add this channel to regular logging21:30
joergmatrix is not my cup of tea, anybody willing to implement may add a bridge21:30
+reinobI could see if I can set that up. I currently have a VPS I still pay for and is not being used for anything..21:31
macros_I am from Germany but am currently to busy to do the notary business and to new to maemo e.V. to want a position.21:31
siceloBeing new isn't an issue, in my understanding :-)21:32
+reinobThere's always the "plan B" IIRC, where I'm appointed by @juiceme as "emergency director". Plus notary, etc. and we keep it like this until we make a new GA later in the future, with the added notary costs again, but at least we gain time, so nobody is put under pressure to say "yes" now, or misses the opportunity he always wanted (halftux?) to say "yes". No idea.21:33
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macros_I am still quite unsure about the duties and If I take a role I want to serve it. What does the board of maemo e.V. do over the cours eof the year?21:34
eLtMosenMany thanks for your initiative reinob. Very much appreciated.21:34
joergsicelo: I'd prefer to see long term well known members in board, I think there's even some regulations to that effect in bylaws21:35
siceloIt does make sense21:35
macros_And I fully understand21:35
+reinobmacros: TBH I also have no clue about the exact duties. But I think it can't be that much, or that hard. Except for the German :)21:35
macros_Well thats the easy part for me ;)21:36
+reinobsee? we'll do just fine. Glaub mir.21:36
sicelomacros_: do you have a tmo account? What's the url? I wanted to uldate the member list on the wiki21:36
joergreinob: I'm absolutely not willing to spend another 2 workdays of administration/moderating work and an additional 180€ for a second "run" of this whole process21:36
macros_Yes its macros21:36
macros_https://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=3860721:37
siceloThanks21:38
+reinobjoerg: I understand, and I appreciate that you're doing most of the work behind and in front of the scenes. But currently we'd have two potential candidates with a location-handicap :) and I wouldn't want to pressure macros into accepting -- for long term -- if (s?)he's not sure.21:39
joergabout the duties: my friend told me last week when I called him >>joerg, the board is for an eV what the legal custodian is for a person put under disability21:39
macros_He is correct21:40
+reinob(OK, didn't want to make any assumptions here)21:40
joergso don't take the responsibility and duties too lightheaded21:41
macros_Ok so as a board member I would have to be reachable for any legal buisness which should be close to none (with current exceptions). That would be ok by me.21:41
joergI suggest to [18 Feb 2022 20:13:26] <joerg> I suggest juiceme appoints halftux too, seeking for halftux acceptance per mail UNTIL TUESDAY, and all attending active members of MCeV informally support this now21:41
ilmanowar+1 for halftux21:42
eLtMosenmacros: And hold a GA once a year to select next board and relief the old board from former year.21:42
ilmanowarHe was willing for long term21:42
macros_I support halftux too if he is reachable by mail.21:43
joergwe (juiceme) could additionally appoint whoever we see fit/helpful for a plan-B, but I suggest those don't start searching for Notary until we did or rather didn't hear of halftux accepting the duty mid of next week21:44
ilmanowareLtMosen: that is somehow the opposite of what jeorg told21:44
+reinobI'd say we hold *again* an informal meeting on, say, Wednesday (Feb. 23rd) where we confirm which two of { reinob, macros, halftux } accepts the candidature. And after that, those two start working on the notary appointment and clearing the stuff with juiceme. Deal?21:44
ilmanowarOk for me.21:45
joergdeal. Limited to 15minutes21:45
eLtMosen+121:45
ilmanowarI suggest removing from the mail list those emails no longer active.21:45
joerg"negotiatins" before that, here or/and via email21:45
ilmanowarOk for me21:46
joergthe email list needs to hold all active members21:46
macros_ok I will be here on Wednesday and have made a descission by then 21:46
joergwho's holding the original list?21:46
+reinobyup. I suggest everyone, within their time/ability/willingness, should more or less stick around #maemo-meeting or check every now and then, at least until this is decided. About dormant e-mails, maybe they wake up, so I'd keep spamming them :)21:47
macros_But from what I sounds like I will likely be available as board member too (but would prefer halftux)21:47
maemishI have sent occasionally emails to those members you see on the bottom of the forum who has birthday. Have said happy birthday, hope you are well, maemo is.21:47
* juiceme is back21:47
+reinobmacros: that's excellent!21:47
joergso, juiceme, could you - for the chanlog/record - formally appoint halftux and reinob now, then reinob accepts formally, then ALL attending ACTIVE members reply with their first+lastname plus if they are ok with this or not21:49
@juicemeall: I'd like to appoint halftux as an interim Director of the Board of Maemo Community e.V., pending on his approval by tuesday 22.02.202221:49
eLtMosenmacros: This explains in detail what a the board member position in a german e.V. implies. https://www.ehrenamt24.de/wissen-fuer-vereine/vereinswiki/vorstand-eines-vereins/21:50
@juicemeas i understand it reinob already accepted21:50
@juicemeeLtMosen, +121:51
macros_@eLtMosen: Thanks I will read it trough21:51
eLtMosennot to scare you away.21:51
joergjoerg reisenweber OK21:51
ilmanowarMassimo Filograno: OK21:51
+reinobmacros: do you happen to live in BY? I think we're almost neighbors (12km distance :), in which case it would be a bonus notary-wise :)21:51
eLtMosenTimo Könnecke: OK21:51
macros_I do!21:51
@juicemeAbout the duties; I can say the actual things _to_do_ are not that heavy but there is personal responsibility included21:52
macros_That would of course make it very easy21:52
+reinobI formally accept. The full name (as in passport) is Bernardo Reino Romero. That's two last names, like every spaniard.21:52
+reinobmacros: cool!21:52
@juicemereinob, thank you, excellent21:52
eLtMosenmacros: the linked article mostly point out possibilities. The actual tasks are defined in the by-laws we as e.V. gave ourselves.21:53
siceloSicelo Mhlongo, I accept the appointments 21:53
macros_Roger Rösch: I support them too.21:54
@juicemenow if I counted correctly all members who are voiced/reachable on the channel have supported the nomination.21:55
joergany vetos?21:55
eLtMosenOh, and no idea about your career "status". But having spend time as recruter now -> Board Member of an e.V. is a striking bonus ;)21:55
joerg321:55
joerg221:55
joerg121:55
joergaccepted21:55
@juicemejoerg, thanks.21:56
joergnext meeting wednesday?21:56
eLtMosen+121:56
@juicemeyes, same time21:56
joergok, afk21:56
+reinob+1. thanks guys21:56
macros_will be there21:56
joergyeah, many many thanks21:56
@juicemesee you then, I'll ead to bed now. (long day, I strt my commute 05:25 in the morning)21:57
eLtMosenOutspoken thanks to you Jörg!!21:57
ilmanowarSee you next meeting then21:57
sicelogood evening, friends. wednesday it is then21:57
@juicemethanks and nite!21:57
+reinob+1000 thanks to Jörg, and to all new members!21:57
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sicelohey halftux :-)21:58
halftuxhi all :)21:58
macros_Hi21:59
eLtMosen:D :D21:59
halftuxeverything ok you started already with some discussion?21:59
macros_We have just made you board member (if you accept) and decided to hold another interim Meeting in Wednesday22:00
sicelohehe, so indeed it was a timezone issue22:00
eLtMosen20:49 <juiceme> all: I'd like to appoint halftux as an interim Director of the Board of Maemo Community e.V., pending on his approval by tuesday 22.02.202222:00
halftuxdamn I missed the meeting22:00
eLtMosenNahh, we figured :D Great you are here22:01
maemishBut you can save evrything!22:01
halftuxI would accept it. So who else is in the board?22:02
macros_reinob is22:02
joerghttp://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/_maemo-meeting/2022-02-18.txt22:03
halftuxok and next meeting we make the offical voting22:03
joergHAHAHA halftux, WELCOME!22:03
eLtMosenWe ended the meeting with the hope and confidence you would accept and moved to new meeting on wedneday. Literally the meeting ended 3 minutes too early even.22:03
halftuxthx22:03
halftuxI thought this meeting was later because of oksanaa22:04
halftuxand time zone22:04
joergfind updated meeting log same URL22:05
joergcya all when...?22:05
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joergn822:07
halftuxgn822:08
macros_Good night22:08
siceloi think /topic doesn't need the plan b clause now :-)22:08
siceloas halftux saved the day22:08
joergmode -t22:08
halftuxat Wednesday I will be right in time22:09
joergmode -t means everybody may /topic22:11
joergsicelo: that was addressed to you ;-)22:15
sicelo:-)22:15
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halftuxcya all gn822:28
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joergtest22:40
eLtMosenconfirm test22:41
joerghttp://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/_maemo-meeting/_maemo-meeting.2022-02-18.log.html test confirmed22:41
joergthe *.txt files are still there, just not visible anymore22:42
+reinoboh, I just noticed halftux was there. All clear :)22:46
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joerghttp://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/_maemo-meeting/_maemo-meeting.2022-02-010.log.html22:48
joergas good as it gets22:49
ilmanowarJoerg then if I make a script to monitor that page I can get notified from new messages here, is it?22:51
siceloNotified where? :-)22:52
ilmanowarBecause monitoring directly the IRC channel has some complications more.22:52
joergilmanowar: yes. the "latest" link is stable and gets updated once per minute22:52
ilmanowarWell, in my mailbox. Sending an email22:52
siceloThere are irc clients for almost every OS out there, and they have native notifications22:52
ilmanowarYes, but they require a device on22:53
ilmanowarInstead, I change devices often and my email is everywhere with me22:53
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joerg^^^ *nod*, depends on device/OS-flavor but actually the device might cut through battery like mad when you keep it always-on22:53
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joergilmanowar: you may also scan the same URL minus the ".html" tail22:55
grythanks all22:56
ilmanowarI see, a nice feature. I realize that if that log name will change every time maybe I should see for a solution like what sicelo told.23:00
siceloOr connect here via a matrix client :-P23:01
siceloThey're 'free' bouncers/znc in a way23:01
joergilmanowar: see "index" "latest" - doesn't change, it's stable23:18
joergor use http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/_maemo-meeting/search?q=ilmanowar but please not too frequently23:19
ilmanowarI think monitoring http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/_maemo-meeting/latest.log.html would do the trick. But also I will check the matrix client.23:21
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