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joerg | would be pretty useful if we could find halftux before he's missing the meeting | 17:30 |
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joerg | hi pabs3 | 17:30 |
pabs3 | hi | 17:31 |
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sicelo | \o pabs3 ,joerg | 20:44 |
+reinob | hey there :) | 20:45 |
joerg | anybody "seen" halftux? | 20:48 |
joerg | [15 Feb 2022 22:11:45] <joerg> we need to contact halftux/Christian to ask him if he's willing to run for porper long term board candidate | 20:49 |
joerg | [15 Feb 2022 22:13:08] <joerg> also if anybody else is willing/intending to apply for a board role, please holler *before* Friday's meeting | 20:49 |
joerg | [15 Feb 2022 22:18:18] <joerg> we need at least one additional (emergency) board member to constitute a board with full legal competence to get the new board notarized | 20:49 |
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ilmanowar | Hello | 20:51 |
ilmanowar | How are you doing, Maemo eV members? | 20:53 |
+reinob | I haven't heard anything from halftux or any other potential candidates.. so unless enough people candidate (to allow for some choice :) I will continue to candidate for the Notvorstand (and beyond, if/as wanted by you guys) | 20:53 |
+reinob | hey ilmanowar | 20:53 |
ilmanowar | Hello, happy to get a reply, pretty on this new irc server | 20:54 |
ilmanowar | *I am pretty new | 20:55 |
+reinob | :) | 20:56 |
joerg | for the record: if we can't get a formal "I accept" from two new board members that are willing to get elected in a regular election for new board, we will have to do all the legal paperwork and fees expense TWO times, or just don't elect any new board members in a GA | 20:58 |
+reinob | I accept | 20:58 |
sicelo | <joerg> also if anybody else is willing/intending to apply for a board role, please holler *before* Friday's meeting --- raising my hand for board if necessary. I suppose it's best if it's someone in Europe, but I'm here too | 20:59 |
sicelo | ilmanowar: hey :-) | 21:00 |
ilmanowar | I acceeeeept | 21:00 |
@juiceme | evening everybody! | 21:01 |
+reinob | good evening! | 21:01 |
ilmanowar | Good evening and Good night for those with CET+2 or more like me | 21:02 |
@juiceme | ilmanowar, I cannot offhand remember if you're a MCeV member? | 21:03 |
ilmanowar | I should, I am on the list, I am Massimo Filograno | 21:03 |
@juiceme | regarding your "I acceeeeept" announcement | 21:03 |
+reinob | it's hard to map irc nicks to actual names. Oh, welcome Massimo :) | 21:03 |
@juiceme | ah of course! | 21:03 |
@juiceme | sorry :) | 21:03 |
joerg | sidenote, please add your irc names to any mails you send | 21:04 |
eLtMosen | Hey all! <3 | 21:04 |
+reinob | Hi Mosen! | 21:04 |
joerg | and hi all | 21:04 |
maemish | Good evening from a friends summer cottage, in the middle of the forest, no electricity and only light fireplace and one candle. Not the best signal either. | 21:04 |
ilmanowar | I know Juiceme. My nick is not even related to my name as your. | 21:04 |
@juiceme | eLtMosen, hi! | 21:04 |
@juiceme | maemish, welcome! | 21:05 |
ilmanowar | maemish: wooow | 21:05 |
ilmanowar | Welcome all | 21:05 |
macros_ | Hi | 21:05 |
+reinob | nice to have such good attendance :) hey macros_ | 21:06 |
ilmanowar | Hi macros_ | 21:06 |
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+reinob | I was hoping to have halftux here today, as I understood he'd like to candidate too.. | 21:07 |
@juiceme | so regarding the candidates for MCeV board, we need 2 csndidates that I can appoint as directors; such people that preferably would be willing to serve in long term. | 21:07 |
+reinob | I'd like to candidate. | 21:07 |
@juiceme | any member can be appointed, but it would be easier if they would live in Germany. (however that cannot be a binding requiremenT9 | 21:08 |
+reinob | (for the record: I live in Germany, and for the curious: I'm spanish :) | 21:08 |
ilmanowar | Hola Reinob | 21:09 |
@juiceme | reinob, I'd like to appoint you as an interim Director of the Board of Maemo Community e.V. | 21:09 |
+reinob | Thanks @juiceme. I accept. | 21:09 |
@juiceme | excellent. Now to make it perfect we'd need to have another appointment | 21:10 |
ilmanowar | I would help but I am afraid I cannot do much from here in Saudi Arabia | 21:10 |
ilmanowar | I am practically in the desert.. | 21:10 |
@juiceme | halftux did voice his candidacy before, but we have not been able to confirm this | 21:10 |
joerg | >>such people that preferably would be willing to serve in long term<< s/preferably/mandatory/ | 21:10 |
@juiceme | ilmanowar, warmt is nice tough, it's knee-deep sleet here up north now! :) | 21:11 |
@juiceme | joerg, yes | 21:11 |
ilmanowar | May I know what are the duties? | 21:11 |
sicelo | I can i also recall halfux accepting | 21:11 |
@juiceme | ilmanowar, maintaining the official business and assets of the association; both material and immaterial | 21:12 |
ilmanowar | juiceme: 😅 | 21:12 |
+reinob | Unfortunately the election has to be sort of "fixed" today/soon/way-before-the-actual-GA so that those "elected" can already prepare the appointment with the notary & stuff.. | 21:12 |
+reinob | not meaning to be undemocratic or anything, but deadlines are deadlines.. | 21:13 |
joerg | I suggest juiceme appoints halftux too, seeking for halftux acceptance per mail UNTIL TUESDAY, and all attending active members of MCeV informally support this now | 21:13 |
sicelo | Agreed at accepting halftux acceptance | 21:13 |
@juiceme | yes, I have been drafting the notice to be notarized. (in english, so I'll need help translating it to german) | 21:13 |
sicelo | (My network is so bad today) | 21:14 |
ilmanowar | Ok for me | 21:14 |
+reinob | ilmanowar: would you be willing to also accept (to be elected as "permanent" board director) if halftux doesn't show up and accept in time? | 21:14 |
joerg | reinob: excellent | 21:15 |
sicelo | I'd be available on permanent basis too | 21:15 |
ilmanowar | I can accept, but here I am afraid to do not find easily a notary. I understand that it is required | 21:15 |
eLtMosen | Since the specifications fit me quite well, i feel the need to explain why i am currently not fit for any longterm plans. Pandemic left my business in shambels and i don't know myself what will be in the next few weeks. So, i am happy to attend, but, yeah... | 21:15 |
sicelo | In halftux absence | 21:16 |
joerg | ilmanowar: yes | 21:16 |
+reinob | sicelo & ilmanowar: that's fantastic. | 21:16 |
macros_ | Thank you both | 21:16 |
sicelo | eLtMosen: thanks. I think you're in Council, and at least can help us transition to a new one sometime later on :-) | 21:16 |
joerg | eLtMosen: same here, and more similar mess | 21:16 |
+reinob | mosen: sorry about that. I still had in my todo list to visit DUS again and maybe pay you a visit :) | 21:17 |
maemish | I accept you all if needed and it helps. | 21:17 |
+reinob | Thanks maemish :) | 21:17 |
@juiceme | all, has anybody had contact with halftux? | 21:17 |
joerg | not here | 21:17 |
+reinob | nope, I just checked in his "mumble" server in case he's idling there, but nope | 21:18 |
ilmanowar | I will seek for that notary here. But please keep me as plan B, because yet I do not move easily here. | 21:19 |
eLtMosen | reinob: Anytime, just give some days prior notice and you'll get juiceme treatment :P | 21:19 |
joerg | ilmanowar: may I ask where's "here"? | 21:19 |
ilmanowar | Saudi Arabia | 21:19 |
joerg | tricky, we would need to approve the notary approval itself to make sure it's equivalent to a german one | 21:20 |
joerg | probably a nightmare and expensive like... | 21:20 |
ilmanowar | That is my worry. Maybe translation is also required since they could have some local language parts.. | 21:20 |
@juiceme | that why it'd be preferred to have people living in germany | 21:21 |
joerg | yes, of course | 21:21 |
joerg | germany or at least europe almost mandatory | 21:21 |
joerg | EU | 21:21 |
eLtMosen | Maybe halftux mistook the meeting time +1 hour due to CET+1 or not? | 21:21 |
joerg | possible, eLtMosen | 21:22 |
@juiceme | I know from previous experience that finnish notarization is accepted in german courts :) | 21:22 |
joerg | juiceme: ooh, not EU? :-) | 21:22 |
+reinob | sicelo: you in Italy or did you mention Africa? | 21:22 |
joerg | africa | 21:22 |
ilmanowar | I do not mind having a telegram or a whatsapp or a signal group to get reached easily | 21:22 |
joerg | ilmanowar: notarization is in person | 21:23 |
sicelo | Yeah, southernmost part of Africa ... Eswatini, formerly Swaziland | 21:23 |
+reinob | sounds German, maybe it'll do :) | 21:23 |
+reinob | Just kidding | 21:23 |
sicelo | :-D | 21:24 |
ilmanowar | I mean if we have a group, people can be reached more easily, we have lifes rich of duties and it could help. | 21:24 |
@juiceme | let's wait up to 21:00 CET to see if halftux comes online | 21:25 |
+reinob | Yup. I guess "the group" is #maemo-meeting, but it's not so convenient as signal/threema/etc. Maybe something to think about. Plus updated contact details for those members who haven't even responded/showed up (peterleinchen?) | 21:25 |
@juiceme | irc has the benefit of easy logging. | 21:26 |
@juiceme | (i don't know about those others...) | 21:26 |
ilmanowar | A mobile phone group is better because you are more reachable | 21:26 |
ilmanowar | At any time (e.g., if you forgot a meeting) | 21:26 |
+reinob | I even some IRC-idiot like me managed to have a permanent session running with instant e-mail notification when mentioned, so it's sorta doable.. | 21:26 |
sicelo | +1 @irc. If people want something "modern", I'd say let that be matrix. All the other options are proprietary | 21:27 |
ilmanowar | Instead a chat group, is not certified at all. Someone could impersonate halftux for example.. | 21:27 |
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+reinob | but I admit that some day a GA with Zoom (or Jitsi) would be quite nice, to see the people you've read and written to (occasionally) in the last 10 years? | 21:28 |
ilmanowar | reinob: +1 | 21:28 |
sicelo | :-) | 21:29 |
macros_ | +1 too | 21:29 |
ilmanowar | I will investigate about matrix and see about the notification on the irc channel. | 21:29 |
eLtMosen | We have a neat matrix server for AsteroidOS with bridge too libra | 21:29 |
sicelo | Yes matrix has irc bridges | 21:29 |
joerg | I'll add this channel to regular logging | 21:30 |
joerg | matrix is not my cup of tea, anybody willing to implement may add a bridge | 21:30 |
+reinob | I could see if I can set that up. I currently have a VPS I still pay for and is not being used for anything.. | 21:31 |
macros_ | I am from Germany but am currently to busy to do the notary business and to new to maemo e.V. to want a position. | 21:31 |
sicelo | Being new isn't an issue, in my understanding :-) | 21:32 |
+reinob | There's always the "plan B" IIRC, where I'm appointed by @juiceme as "emergency director". Plus notary, etc. and we keep it like this until we make a new GA later in the future, with the added notary costs again, but at least we gain time, so nobody is put under pressure to say "yes" now, or misses the opportunity he always wanted (halftux?) to say "yes". No idea. | 21:33 |
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macros_ | I am still quite unsure about the duties and If I take a role I want to serve it. What does the board of maemo e.V. do over the cours eof the year? | 21:34 |
eLtMosen | Many thanks for your initiative reinob. Very much appreciated. | 21:34 |
joerg | sicelo: I'd prefer to see long term well known members in board, I think there's even some regulations to that effect in bylaws | 21:35 |
sicelo | It does make sense | 21:35 |
macros_ | And I fully understand | 21:35 |
+reinob | macros: TBH I also have no clue about the exact duties. But I think it can't be that much, or that hard. Except for the German :) | 21:35 |
macros_ | Well thats the easy part for me ;) | 21:36 |
+reinob | see? we'll do just fine. Glaub mir. | 21:36 |
sicelo | macros_: do you have a tmo account? What's the url? I wanted to uldate the member list on the wiki | 21:36 |
joerg | reinob: I'm absolutely not willing to spend another 2 workdays of administration/moderating work and an additional 180€ for a second "run" of this whole process | 21:36 |
macros_ | Yes its macros | 21:36 |
macros_ | https://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=38607 | 21:37 |
sicelo | Thanks | 21:38 |
+reinob | joerg: I understand, and I appreciate that you're doing most of the work behind and in front of the scenes. But currently we'd have two potential candidates with a location-handicap :) and I wouldn't want to pressure macros into accepting -- for long term -- if (s?)he's not sure. | 21:39 |
joerg | about the duties: my friend told me last week when I called him >>joerg, the board is for an eV what the legal custodian is for a person put under disability | 21:39 |
macros_ | He is correct | 21:40 |
+reinob | (OK, didn't want to make any assumptions here) | 21:40 |
joerg | so don't take the responsibility and duties too lightheaded | 21:41 |
macros_ | Ok so as a board member I would have to be reachable for any legal buisness which should be close to none (with current exceptions). That would be ok by me. | 21:41 |
joerg | I suggest to [18 Feb 2022 20:13:26] <joerg> I suggest juiceme appoints halftux too, seeking for halftux acceptance per mail UNTIL TUESDAY, and all attending active members of MCeV informally support this now | 21:41 |
ilmanowar | +1 for halftux | 21:42 |
eLtMosen | macros: And hold a GA once a year to select next board and relief the old board from former year. | 21:42 |
ilmanowar | He was willing for long term | 21:42 |
macros_ | I support halftux too if he is reachable by mail. | 21:43 |
joerg | we (juiceme) could additionally appoint whoever we see fit/helpful for a plan-B, but I suggest those don't start searching for Notary until we did or rather didn't hear of halftux accepting the duty mid of next week | 21:44 |
ilmanowar | eLtMosen: that is somehow the opposite of what jeorg told | 21:44 |
+reinob | I'd say we hold *again* an informal meeting on, say, Wednesday (Feb. 23rd) where we confirm which two of { reinob, macros, halftux } accepts the candidature. And after that, those two start working on the notary appointment and clearing the stuff with juiceme. Deal? | 21:44 |
ilmanowar | Ok for me. | 21:45 |
joerg | deal. Limited to 15minutes | 21:45 |
eLtMosen | +1 | 21:45 |
ilmanowar | I suggest removing from the mail list those emails no longer active. | 21:45 |
joerg | "negotiatins" before that, here or/and via email | 21:45 |
ilmanowar | Ok for me | 21:46 |
joerg | the email list needs to hold all active members | 21:46 |
macros_ | ok I will be here on Wednesday and have made a descission by then | 21:46 |
joerg | who's holding the original list? | 21:46 |
+reinob | yup. I suggest everyone, within their time/ability/willingness, should more or less stick around #maemo-meeting or check every now and then, at least until this is decided. About dormant e-mails, maybe they wake up, so I'd keep spamming them :) | 21:47 |
macros_ | But from what I sounds like I will likely be available as board member too (but would prefer halftux) | 21:47 |
maemish | I have sent occasionally emails to those members you see on the bottom of the forum who has birthday. Have said happy birthday, hope you are well, maemo is. | 21:47 |
* juiceme is back | 21:47 | |
+reinob | macros: that's excellent! | 21:47 |
joerg | so, juiceme, could you - for the chanlog/record - formally appoint halftux and reinob now, then reinob accepts formally, then ALL attending ACTIVE members reply with their first+lastname plus if they are ok with this or not | 21:49 |
@juiceme | all: I'd like to appoint halftux as an interim Director of the Board of Maemo Community e.V., pending on his approval by tuesday 22.02.2022 | 21:49 |
eLtMosen | macros: This explains in detail what a the board member position in a german e.V. implies. https://www.ehrenamt24.de/wissen-fuer-vereine/vereinswiki/vorstand-eines-vereins/ | 21:50 |
@juiceme | as i understand it reinob already accepted | 21:50 |
@juiceme | eLtMosen, +1 | 21:51 |
macros_ | @eLtMosen: Thanks I will read it trough | 21:51 |
eLtMosen | not to scare you away. | 21:51 |
joerg | joerg reisenweber OK | 21:51 |
ilmanowar | Massimo Filograno: OK | 21:51 |
+reinob | macros: do you happen to live in BY? I think we're almost neighbors (12km distance :), in which case it would be a bonus notary-wise :) | 21:51 |
eLtMosen | Timo Könnecke: OK | 21:51 |
macros_ | I do! | 21:51 |
@juiceme | About the duties; I can say the actual things _to_do_ are not that heavy but there is personal responsibility included | 21:52 |
macros_ | That would of course make it very easy | 21:52 |
+reinob | I formally accept. The full name (as in passport) is Bernardo Reino Romero. That's two last names, like every spaniard. | 21:52 |
+reinob | macros: cool! | 21:52 |
@juiceme | reinob, thank you, excellent | 21:52 |
eLtMosen | macros: the linked article mostly point out possibilities. The actual tasks are defined in the by-laws we as e.V. gave ourselves. | 21:53 |
sicelo | Sicelo Mhlongo, I accept the appointments | 21:53 |
macros_ | Roger Rösch: I support them too. | 21:54 |
@juiceme | now if I counted correctly all members who are voiced/reachable on the channel have supported the nomination. | 21:55 |
joerg | any vetos? | 21:55 |
eLtMosen | Oh, and no idea about your career "status". But having spend time as recruter now -> Board Member of an e.V. is a striking bonus ;) | 21:55 |
joerg | 3 | 21:55 |
joerg | 2 | 21:55 |
joerg | 1 | 21:55 |
joerg | accepted | 21:55 |
@juiceme | joerg, thanks. | 21:56 |
joerg | next meeting wednesday? | 21:56 |
eLtMosen | +1 | 21:56 |
@juiceme | yes, same time | 21:56 |
joerg | ok, afk | 21:56 |
+reinob | +1. thanks guys | 21:56 |
macros_ | will be there | 21:56 |
joerg | yeah, many many thanks | 21:56 |
@juiceme | see you then, I'll ead to bed now. (long day, I strt my commute 05:25 in the morning) | 21:57 |
eLtMosen | Outspoken thanks to you Jörg!! | 21:57 |
ilmanowar | See you next meeting then | 21:57 |
sicelo | good evening, friends. wednesday it is then | 21:57 |
@juiceme | thanks and nite! | 21:57 |
+reinob | +1000 thanks to Jörg, and to all new members! | 21:57 |
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sicelo | hey halftux :-) | 21:58 |
halftux | hi all :) | 21:58 |
macros_ | Hi | 21:59 |
eLtMosen | :D :D | 21:59 |
halftux | everything ok you started already with some discussion? | 21:59 |
macros_ | We have just made you board member (if you accept) and decided to hold another interim Meeting in Wednesday | 22:00 |
sicelo | hehe, so indeed it was a timezone issue | 22:00 |
eLtMosen | 20:49 <juiceme> all: I'd like to appoint halftux as an interim Director of the Board of Maemo Community e.V., pending on his approval by tuesday 22.02.2022 | 22:00 |
halftux | damn I missed the meeting | 22:00 |
eLtMosen | Nahh, we figured :D Great you are here | 22:01 |
maemish | But you can save evrything! | 22:01 |
halftux | I would accept it. So who else is in the board? | 22:02 |
macros_ | reinob is | 22:02 |
joerg | http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/_maemo-meeting/2022-02-18.txt | 22:03 |
halftux | ok and next meeting we make the offical voting | 22:03 |
joerg | HAHAHA halftux, WELCOME! | 22:03 |
eLtMosen | We ended the meeting with the hope and confidence you would accept and moved to new meeting on wedneday. Literally the meeting ended 3 minutes too early even. | 22:03 |
halftux | thx | 22:03 |
halftux | I thought this meeting was later because of oksanaa | 22:04 |
halftux | and time zone | 22:04 |
joerg | find updated meeting log same URL | 22:05 |
joerg | cya all when...? | 22:05 |
-!- joerg changed the topic of #maemo-meeting to: next meeting WEDNESDAY 19:00UTC (20:00CET) | putative new PERMANENT board members: halftux(???), reinob, sicelo (planB), ilmanowar (nearly impossible: non-EU legalese) | 22:07 | |
joerg | n8 | 22:07 |
halftux | gn8 | 22:08 |
macros_ | Good night | 22:08 |
sicelo | i think /topic doesn't need the plan b clause now :-) | 22:08 |
sicelo | as halftux saved the day | 22:08 |
joerg | mode -t | 22:08 |
halftux | at Wednesday I will be right in time | 22:09 |
joerg | mode -t means everybody may /topic | 22:11 |
joerg | sicelo: that was addressed to you ;-) | 22:15 |
sicelo | :-) | 22:15 |
-!- sicelo changed the topic of #maemo-meeting to: next meeting WEDNESDAY 19:00UTC (20:00CET) | putative new PERMANENT board members: halftux, reinob | 22:16 | |
halftux | cya all gn8 | 22:28 |
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joerg | test | 22:40 |
eLtMosen | confirm test | 22:41 |
joerg | http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/_maemo-meeting/_maemo-meeting.2022-02-18.log.html test confirmed | 22:41 |
joerg | the *.txt files are still there, just not visible anymore | 22:42 |
+reinob | oh, I just noticed halftux was there. All clear :) | 22:46 |
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joerg | http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/_maemo-meeting/_maemo-meeting.2022-02-010.log.html | 22:48 |
joerg | as good as it gets | 22:49 |
ilmanowar | Joerg then if I make a script to monitor that page I can get notified from new messages here, is it? | 22:51 |
sicelo | Notified where? :-) | 22:52 |
ilmanowar | Because monitoring directly the IRC channel has some complications more. | 22:52 |
joerg | ilmanowar: yes. the "latest" link is stable and gets updated once per minute | 22:52 |
ilmanowar | Well, in my mailbox. Sending an email | 22:52 |
sicelo | There are irc clients for almost every OS out there, and they have native notifications | 22:52 |
ilmanowar | Yes, but they require a device on | 22:53 |
ilmanowar | Instead, I change devices often and my email is everywhere with me | 22:53 |
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joerg | ^^^ *nod*, depends on device/OS-flavor but actually the device might cut through battery like mad when you keep it always-on | 22:53 |
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joerg | ilmanowar: you may also scan the same URL minus the ".html" tail | 22:55 |
gry | thanks all | 22:56 |
ilmanowar | I see, a nice feature. I realize that if that log name will change every time maybe I should see for a solution like what sicelo told. | 23:00 |
sicelo | Or connect here via a matrix client :-P | 23:01 |
sicelo | They're 'free' bouncers/znc in a way | 23:01 |
joerg | ilmanowar: see "index" "latest" - doesn't change, it's stable | 23:18 |
joerg | or use http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/_maemo-meeting/search?q=ilmanowar but please not too frequently | 23:19 |
ilmanowar | I think monitoring http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/_maemo-meeting/latest.log.html would do the trick. But also I will check the matrix client. | 23:21 |
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